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Island 3 Final Day

Page history last edited by Carlyn Vachow 11 years, 1 month ago

 

 

You’ve been playing pretend so far. You have had to resolve conflicts, complete tasks, and reflect on your stay. For our last day let’s journey to the world of entertainment where playing pretend takes a whole new meaning.

 

Kid Nation Trailer:

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Section [09]

 

First, view the trailer about Kid Nation. 

 

 

After watching the trailer, the narrator claims that it the town is entirely run by kids. Is this true?

 

Yes and No. Kids definitely do all the work and make all of the decisions. But who is videotaping? Who is buying the root beer? And why there is the T.V show host in the show when he said there are no adults? He said that the town is to be strictly run by kids. So yes you can say that kid’s do almost all of the work, but there are definitely adults there helping them, just not on camera.

 

 

 

 

 

How do the adults running the show provide Apollonian order for the kids?

 

There are several adversities that children probably cannot overcome. For example, providing the candy and root beer for their kid "economy", or providing the food for the kids to cook. Adults provide a common goal for all of the kids: the golden star. The star is worth $20,000 for college, which makes succeeding in the kid nation a bigger deal. The adults also provide the option of leaving Bonanza to return home. Though it may seem that the kids are on their own, there are always several adults fiddling around behind the scenes to make it easier for the kids.

 

 

 

 

 

Take a tally of how many members think they would have enjoyed being part of a program like Kid Nation? Why or why not? 

     No one in our group would want to be a part of Kid Nation. It would not be enjoyable to have to work all day with other kids that you don't know and don't have that much in common with. Kid Nation is probably attractive for kids to be on because, they would have the chance to win 20,000 dollars worth of gold and a chance to be on T.V. Overall though, it would not be worth it to be part of the "experiment."

 

 

 

 

 

 

How does is this similar to Lord of the Flies? How is it different?

 

It is similar because in the short video clip you can see that in some scenes are very chaotic, and it looks like the order is breaking down, just like in Lord of the Flies. The kids start to gang up on the oldest boy, Greg, because he is being rude, mean, and unhelpful. He starts saying how if people are going to act this way towards him, then he's going to - in a sense - isolate himself. When our group watched the clip where that happened, it reminded me of the scene towards the end of Lord of the Flies: Jack decides that he "won't play anymore" when none of the boys vote for him to replace Ralph as chief. It is different because in this show the kids have alot more resources, like rootbeer, candy, already built shelters ect. They also have adults along with 40 kids instead of about 10. A lot of what the kids need is there for them. Unlike Lord of the Flies, the kids run their own economy; though I'm not sure how that benefits funds for the children, because they probably don't have money to spend in Bonanza.

 

 

 

Now watch your section's video:

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Greg is cursing out the children in the town. According to one of the girls, how does Greg exert power over the town? What is the danger in that?  

 

Greg uses his size and age to demean the other children in bonanza. He carries over whatever was happening in his life at home to Bonanza. Whether he was a bully and is continuing to be one, or if he was in the lower rankings and is using this experiment as an opportunity to feel powerful, we don't know. As he is cursing out the other children, he is tearing apart the safe feeling that they had when there were adults to chastize other kids for bad behavior. By using his power negatively, he is taking away the sense of safety and trust, which are critical in building and maintaining a community.

 

 

 

 

Which Lord of the Flies character would you compare Greg to? (Mention how ego and id are at work here)

 

I would compare Greg to Ralph when he, like Ralph, demands respect, they both are nice kids ecept from time to time they can get angry. There is a point in that scene though where he says something like what Jack said. Greg decides to "isolate" himself for a while in a sense doing what Jack did when he said "I'm not going to play any longer. Not with you" Golding, Lord fo the Flies (127).

 

 

 

One of the girls says that “the town needs law and order.” How does Greg acting out show that order is breaking down in the town?  

 

When the leader gets really mad and starts cursing out his fellow people, it really shows that the order is breaking down. This shows that the order is breaking down because Greg is getting frustrated and yelling at all of the people in the town, and ounce he starts yelling at them, they start yelling back. This is not order, this is a free for all. It is showing that the kids are not yet willing to put aside differences and personal needs so that they can work together to overcome the adversities that are put in their way. When we stop working together, and stop respecting one another, civilization is hard to establish.

 

Section [04]

 

 

First, view the trailer about Kid Nation. 

 

 

After watching the trailer, the narrator claims that it the town is entirely run by kids. Is this true?

 

The entire town is being run by kids, but the adult producers, directors, cameramen, and TV hosts are there to assist them. The concept that children could run the town alone is completely illegal and the TV stations and broadcasters would not allow it unless there were adults to make sure none of the children got hurt. There is obviously a TV host there in 2:44 when he is introducing and starting the challenge to the children. Also, the kids get prizes and food. The adults running the show obviously help and coddle the kids to make sure they are not sued for hurting the children. Although the children are showed on camera doing all the work, the adults behind the camera do most of the important stuff such as buying the food and providing the shelter.

 

 

How do the adults running the show provide Apollonian order for the kids?

 

The adults running the show provide an Apollonian sense of order because they tell the kids parent what is going on at this town. This puts the kids under pressure to act responsible and think before they act. The Golden Star is the best example of order because it makes the kids think about how they are acting. This puts a small and simple check on the kids that makes them want to be as helpful and responsible as possible. The Star pressures the kids to behave and follow rules which is a key component  of order in a society. That is how the adults provide a sense of Apollonian order during the show.

 

 

 

Take a tally of how many members think they would have enjoyed being part of a program like Kid Nation? Why or why not?

No one in our island would like to be on the program Kid Nation. There are so many problems with it, and even being on a virtual island such as our own has shown us the problems of working with other children in an uncivilized manner. The other kids may not agree with us, and we're stuck making our own desicions. Also, we might have nothing in common with any of them, and because the oldest is 15, we would be older then most of the children.

 

How is this similar to Lord of the Flies? How is it different?

This is similar to Lord of the Flies because it is basically a nation of kids on the island just like the kids on the show. In the clip of the show it shows that the order is breaking and conflict is arising, this happens in Lord of the Flies. This is also like Lord of the Flies because there are kids of all ages just like the kids in Lord of the Flies, in the books there are older kids and then their are littluns. In the show it seemed that their were ages ranging from about 15 to 10 or 11. This is different to Lord of the Flies because it is not on an island, in Lord of the Flies it is very important that they are on an island because of their surroundings and what is given on the island, such as swimming areas and caves. In this show it seems that they are stuck in an old western town, which gives the children roofs over their head, unlike the children in the book. 

 

 

 

 

 

Now watch your section's video:

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The kids have not had any contact with their parents for 39 days. How do the parents represent civilization? What are the parents’ reactions to the children’s living conditions? 

The parents represent civilization because they are so used to their houses and controlled lives. The parents also provide a controlling factor in the kids life. They provide order in the kids life and the Apollonian nature of civilization. The parents react badly to the childrens living conditions. They say that theyre rooms are messy and that the bathrooms are disgusting. It seems like the parents were disbelieving that the children were able to survive in such "bad" living conditions.

 

 

 

How is the ghost town the kids have lived in a liminal space?

The ghost town the kids live in is a liminal space because they grow and develop there. It is in the desert, which is also a liminal space. The town makes the children work, and that means liminality. 

 

One of the parents mentioned that this was a test of self-reliance for the kids? Do you agree, or do you think the parents had an ethical responsibility in this as well?

The parent saying that it was a test of self-reliance was so wrong. The parents should have known that the children could have gotten hurt, and the ethical problems with the show were too many for an intelligent parent to send their kid there.

 

Section [?]

 

 

First, view the trailer about Kid Nation. 

 

 

After watching the trailer, the narrator claims that it the town is entirely run by kids. Is this true?

 

 

 

 

 

 

How do the adults running the show provide Apollonian order for the kids?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Take a tally of how many members think they would have enjoyed being part of a program like Kid Nation? Why or why not?

 

 

 

 

How does is this similar to Lord of the Flies? How is it different?

 

 

Watch your section's video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcO52QWnwJI

 

The parents of Kid Nation were criticized for letting their kids be a part of this program. After watching the video, discuss with your group the moral responsibility do parents have in protecting their children and then answer the following questions.

 

 

Is there something unethical about letting children be a part of reality television?

 

 

What motives could the parents have had in letting their kids participate in this show?

 

 

What possible dangers and emotional turmoil could the kids endure by being separated for weeks with no absolute contact with their parents?

 

Comments (13)

matt tao said

at 10:36 am on Nov 12, 2008

sorry connor but you did the wrong section and you did most of our section's work. So we will just add on to what you said, but good effort.

Colin Phelan said

at 10:40 am on Nov 12, 2008

yeah conor, good job with doing most of the work, our groups is just going to check over it and add on to it.

crogers said

at 1:09 pm on Nov 12, 2008

Good job keep up the work guys

Vijay Umashanker said

at 6:50 pm on Nov 12, 2008

Besides the fact that LOTF teaches some of the children responsibility.

scritchfieldjain said

at 9:09 am on Nov 13, 2008

Matt, you deleted my answer.

matt tao said

at 3:32 pm on Nov 13, 2008

for what questions because all I updated was my section!

hallie said

at 3:40 pm on Nov 13, 2008

It is okay if work was redone accidentally as long as all of the questions were successfully answered. Also when posting make sure to check spelling and grammar before saving the work.

agais said

at 8:46 pm on Nov 13, 2008

Am I the only one who imagined LoTF completly different then this? This seems more like acting and crying, and thats about it.

Carlyn Vachow said

at 8:59 pm on Nov 13, 2008

Sections 04 and 06, we reeeeeally need to finish up these questions. This is due tomorrow at 3:10 and it's really critical that these get finished. Unless we all want to fail, let's get them done.

Carlyn Vachow said

at 8:59 pm on Nov 13, 2008

For the questions that we have done, nice job everyone!

Carlyn Vachow said

at 8:59 pm on Nov 13, 2008

we also need everyone to do a couple more comments so that the work has been even

Colin Phelan said

at 9:30 pm on Nov 13, 2008

good job everyone with answering the questions...it doesnt really matter that work was redone because in the end all the questiosn were answered

Ctorchin said

at 10:09 am on Nov 14, 2008

you guys, for the first section at the top with the blue highlighted, there is no section number so whoever did that make sure they put the number up so Mrs. Leschhorn knows whos group it was

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